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David is joined this week by Jonathan Berry, managing partner at Boyden Gray and a fierce advocate for the dignity of the human person in their work. The two have a robust discussion on where public policy and the lawmaking of the state ought to be a factor in protecting the rights and well-being of workers. They agree on many principles and disagree on some applications but cordially help you prudentially consider the role the state has (or doesn’t have) in worker flourishing.