The campaign chairwoman of Kamala Harris’s presidential bid pushed back on Tuesday against the idea that the vice president was avoiding interviews in the run-up to Election Day.

“Real people heard in some way that we were not going to have interviews, which was both not true and also so counter to any kind of standard that was put on Trump that I think that was a problem,” Jen O’Malley Dillon said on the liberal podcast Pod Save America. “And then, on top of that, we would do an interview, and . . . the questions were small and process-y.”

Harris was consistently criticized for shying away from substantive public interviews and appearances, enhancing a public image many associated with inauthenticity and empty spouts of “word salad.”

“I think back and think we should have signaled more of our strategy early on about podcasts and who we were trying to reach, but we had a limited amount of time to reach the people we were trying to reach, and we were trying to go to them,” the campaign’s chairwoman lamented.

Podcast appearances served as an intimate medium by which both candidates tried to reach young target audiences. Harris recorded an episode of Call Her Daddy, while Trump went on many others — none more notable than The Joe Rogan Experience. Rogan has long hosted the most popular podcast in the world, attracting millions of viewers with long-form interviews with prominent public figures.

Rogan had also invited Harris to his platform, but the interview never materialized.

“They had, I don’t know how many conversations with my folks, but multiple conversations giving different dates, different times, different this, different that, and we knew that she was going to be in Texas, so I said, ‘open invitation,’” Rogan said.

“I think they had requirements on things that she didn’t want to talk about, she didn’t want to talk about marijuana legalization, which I thought was hilarious.”

Jennifer Palmieri, the senior adviser to second gentleman Doug Emhoff, revealed that said Harris’s potential appearance on The Joe Rogan Experience collapsed “because of concerns at how the interview would be perceived within the Democratic Party.”

“There was a backlash with some of our progressive staff that didn’t want her to be on it, and how there would be a backlash,” Palmieri reportedly claimed.

Dillon remained adamant that the notion that Harris was sidestepping the media was manufactured.

“Being up against a narrative that we weren’t doing anything or we were afraid to have interviews is completely bullsh**,” Dillon claimed.