One witness testified Wednesday that the Department of Defense has recovered foreign aircraft and extracted nonhuman biological entities from them over decades of programs designed to retrieve what the military calls unidentified aerial phenomena covertly.

Several witnesses testified during the House Oversight Committee's hearing on UAPs, including whistleblower David Grusch, who claimed previously that the Pentagon is illegally withholding information regarding these programs from Congress.

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When Grusch was asked about the pilots of some of these aircraft that were described as having nonhuman origins, he reiterated that "biologics came with some of these recoveries." According to him, those pilots were nonhuman. "That was the assessment of people with direct knowledge on the program I talked to that are currently still on the program," he explained.

Grusch further claimed that he has personally interviewed those with direct knowledge of crafts with nonhuman origins.

Grusch's testimony was handicapped by the classified nature of much of the information he possesses, he said. Prompted on whether "our government has made contact with intelligent extraterrestrials," he said it's "something I can't discuss [in a] public setting."

He said the same for many of the subcommittee members' questions. However, he did say he would be able to share more information with them in a sensitive compartmented information facility if they have the proper clearances.

At one point, Grusch claimed that he was aware of injuries while working on the reverse engineering of UAPs, describing, "I've heard people talk about the Havana syndrome-type incidences." However, he said, "I can't get into specifics."

Another witness, retired Cmdr. David Fravor, described for members his experience in what is referred to as the "Tic-Tac" UAP incident.

During a routine training mission off the coast of California in 2004, Fravor and his colleague were witnesses to unusual churning on the surface of the ocean, followed by the sight of a white flying object that he said resembled a Tic-Tac, which flew at high speed.

Fravor claimed no real investigation took place following the incident.

He told members of the committee that the Tic-Tac couldn't have been made by any other nation on Earth. "I think it defies current material, science, and the ability to develop that much propulsion," he said. "And I know there's been some physicists [who] have done calculations, which is beyond anything that we have."

He was further asked if his aircraft or any others held by the U.S. could have shot down the Tic-Tac. "I'd say no," he answered. "Just on the performance, it would [have] just left in a split second."

Fravor explained that the craft he witnessed was able to maneuver in ways any other aircraft could not.

Each witness — Grusch, Fravor, and former Navy pilot Ryan Graves — was asked whether UAPs could be collecting reconnaissance information, to which they all indicated that it's possible.

They all further said it's possible that the UAPs are probing technologies and testing for vulnerabilities in U.S. systems.

The committee ran into difficulty as it attempted to determine leads on agency and program information for UAP retrieval and possession. Grusch often said he couldn't relay information related to these publicly but may be able to direct the committee in a SCIF. He did indicate that decisions regarding the classification of related materials are determined by "a group of career senior executive officials."

And, according to him, the group is not made up of just government officials. This could mean that some officials with defense contracting companies are involved in making such determinations.

When Grusch was later asked if the government has engaged in a "disinformation campaign" regarding UAPs to misdirect the public, he said he couldn't expand on the topic more than what he'd previously said in an interview. He had alleged prior that there was a multidecade "campaign to disenfranchise public interest."

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Wednesday's 10:00 a.m. hearing drew massive attention from both media and the public, with people lining up outside the room early in the morning. Both Reps. Tim Burchett (R-TN) and Anna Paulina Luna (R-FL) described the significant media attention being given to the event.

Following the hearing, phrases such as "nonhuman" and "UFOs" began trending on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter.