The Democrat candidate for Virginia’s attorney general allegedly suggested that if more police officers were killed then they would shoot fewer people, according to new allegations.

Jay Jones allegedly made the violent suggestion in a telephone conversation with Republican Delegate Carrie Coyner in 2020, according to a new report from Virginia Scope.

Coyner said she and Jones had a “heated conversation about public policy and pain involving qualified immunity.”

Coyner said Jones was trying to convince her to agree that police officers should not have qualified immunity (which, in Coyner’s words “protects police officers from personal liability in their line of duty and their line of work”).

“And I said, ‘I believe that people will get killed. Police officers will get killed.’ And [Jones] said, ‘Well, maybe if a few of them died, that they would move on, not shooting people, not killing people.’ And I said, ‘that’s insane.’ But he firmly believed that if you removed qualified immunity, that police officers would act differently, and I firmly believe that it would not result in good public policy, and it would put police officers and the public’s lives at risk if they have to second-guess themselves on a decision they’re making in a moment where someone is doing something violent,” Coyner said.

Virginia Scope reports Jones’ team has denied the allegations. The Federalist contacted Jones’ team, as well as gubernatorial candidate Abigail Spanberger and lieutenant gubernatorial candidate Ghazala Hashmi to see if either would reconsider their decision to double down on Jones’ endorsement. None of the parties returned a request for comment at the time of publication.

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The new allegations comes just days after it was reported that during a 2022 exchange with Coyner, Jones said it would be a “good thing” if his former legislative colleague’s children died. 

“Three people, two bullets. [Republican House Speaker Todd] Gilbert, [H]itler, and [P]ol [P]ot. Gilbert gets two bullets to the head. Spoiler: put Gilbert in the crew with the two worst people you know and he receives both bullets every time,” Jones said in a message. When Coyner pushed back about Jones “[hoping] [J]ennifer Gilbert’s children would die,” Jones confirmed that “Yes,” he was.

“Only when people feel pain personally do they move on policy,” Jones continued. Jones also called the Gilberts’ young children “little fascists.”

Brianna Lyman is an elections correspondent at The Federalist. Brianna graduated from Fordham University with a degree in International Political Economy. Her work has been featured on Newsmax, Fox News, Fox Business and RealClearPolitics. Follow Brianna on X: @briannalyman2