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For Harvard students, this year’s graduation ceremony comes amid an intense standoff between one of America’s most prestigious universities and the United States government.

Michael S. Schmidt, an investigative reporter for The Times, explains how the conflict escalated and what it reveals about how far the administration will go to fulfill its agenda.

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Michael S. Schmidt, an investigative reporter for The New York Times, covering Washington.

ImageA building with four tall columns has large red banners with the Harvard sigil of three books.
Even if Harvard wins its court battle with the Trump administration, it could see its funding curtailed and research significantly affected.Credit...Sophie Park/Bloomberg

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