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8 Feb 2024
Michael BarbaroLisa MillerShannon LinKate LoPrestiDevon TaylorElisheba IttoopChris Wood


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Warning: this episode contains strong language and descriptions of violence.

A few days ago, for the first time, an American jury convicted a parent for a mass shooting carried out by their child.

Lisa Miller, who has been following the case since its beginning, explains what the historic verdict really means.


On today’s episode

  • Lisa Miller, a domestic correspondent for The New York Times

ImageIn a courtroom, a woman wearing handcuffs is walking in between two uniformed officers.
Jennifer Crumbley was convicted on four counts of involuntary manslaughter on Tuesday.Credit...Bill Pugliano/Getty Images

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