In his first interview since leaving the White House, Joe Biden defended former Vice President Kamala Harris on The View against the criticisms she faced during her campaign for standing by the impact they made during his term. The former president revealed they “argued like hell” during their term together and noted Harris remained “her own person” as his VP.

“She was part of every success we had,” he said on the show. “We’d argue like hell by the way. That’s good.”

He continued, “We worked it out. It was a mutual thing but like i said… when that election started, none of you would have thought that happened. we’ve done pretty good.”

The View airs weekdays at 11/10c on ABC.