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Forbes
Forbes
28 Feb 2025


Tech billionaire Elon Musk sat down with Joe Rogan for a three-hour podcast released Friday, addressing the Nazi-likened salute he made at an inaugural event last month, praising his controversial Department of Government Efficiency and exploring conspiracies about the federal government’s gold reserve at Fort Knox.

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Rogan's interview with Musk was released Friday. (Photo by Josh Hedges/Zuffa LLC/Zuffa LLC via Getty ... [+] Images)

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Nazi salute: Musk, who made a gesture likened to a Nazi salute last month at an inaugural event for President Donald Trump, defended the gesture and said it was “meant in the most positive spirit possible,” with Rogan largely defending Musk before he told the billionaire, “you did it with a little enthusiasm that probably wouldn’t be recommended with hindsight.”

DOGE: Musk claimed DOGE, which has had its authority challenged in court, will save the U.S. an estimated $100 billion per year through changes to the Treasury Department’s payment categorization codes used to identify where department transactions are being made (receipts of supposed cuts and savings made by DOGE have contained discrepancies and errors).

Fort Knox: Musk and Rogan asked an "unhinged version" of Grok, the chatbot developed by Musk’s startup xAI, about the gold supply at Fort Knox that has been questioned in historic conspiracy theories recently boosted by Musk and Trump—provoking the chatbot to ask Rogan if he was a conspiracy theorist, to which Rogan answered “yes.”

Security clearance: While speaking to Rogan about aliens and unidentified aerial phenomenon, Musk said he does not believe top defense companies like Northrop Grumman, Lockheed Martin and Boeing have developed advanced propulsion systems for drones, noting he has “the equivalent of an all-access pass from a security clearance standpoint” and that he does not think defense companies could hide information on development of propulsion systems from him.

This is a developing story. Check back for updates.