Former Vice President Mike Pence continued his heel turn on his ex-boss over the weekend, taking to the Sunday shows to confirm some allegations included in a felony indictment against the former president which Trump recently denied.

Trump called his one-time number-two “too honest” and asked him to ignore the U.S. Constitution, Pence said Sunday of conversations the pair had privately and which are included in a federal indictment charging Trump with three counts of conspiracy that Trump says never occurred.

“It’s part of a dialogue that happened between the president and me. And that was related, I think, to a bogus lawsuit that was brought to try and force my hand, to have a federal judge say that I had the right to throw out votes,” Pence said in an appearance on NBC’s Meet the Press.

Trump has been charged for allegedly entering into a conspiracy with six unindicted co-conspirators to overturn the 2020 election and obstruct the counting of electoral college votes. Pence, then vice president and therefore responsible for overseeing the joint session of congress where the election is certified, was indeed pressured to ignore his clerical role in the process, the former Indiana governor said Sunday.

“You can check his tweets, I think, on the day of, the day before. I mean, the president was quite clear and quite public that he thought that I had the authority to either reject or return votes to the states,” Pence said. “There’s almost no idea more un-American than the idea that any one person could choose which votes to count for president of the United States.”

After the 45th President’s first two felony indictments, his ex-number two was circumspect in his responses, commenting more on the justice department’s “two tiered system” than on Trump’s behavior. The third indictment brought about swift criticism, with Pence saying that “anyone who puts himself over the Constitution should never be President of the United States.”

Trump, in a Truth Social post, denied having said or done what prosecutors and his former VP claim he has.

“WOW, it’s finally happened! Liddle’ Mike Pence, a man who was about to be ousted as Governor Indiana until I came along and made him V.P., has gone to the Dark Side. I never told a newly emboldened (not based on his 2% poll numbers!) Pence to put me above the Constitution, or that Mike was “too honest.” He’s delusional, and now he wants to show he’s a tough guy,” Trump wrote earlier this month.

Pence says he can’t recall speaking to his ex-boss about a scheme to offer an alternate slate of presidential electors to congress during the certification of the 2020 election, a matter the former vice president apparently brought up to the senate parliamentarian in the days ahead of the counting.

Pence told host Chuck Todd his questioning of senate staff came following news reports of potential alternative electors, not because Trump had mentioned anything to him.

“I wanted a definitive answer whether or not the parliamentarian had received any additional electoral votes. She had not,” he said. “The Constitution is quite clear. As vice president, my job was to preside over a joint session of Congress where the Constitution says the electoral college votes shall be opened and shall be counted. And I know, by God’s grace, I did my duty that day.”

According to Pence, his stance on January 6th has resonated with voters he’s spoken with on the campaign trail.

“One person after another, not just in Iowa this last week, but in New Hampshire the week before, more and more Americans are coming up to me and expressing their appreciation for the stand they took. They know I chose, I chose to keep my oath to the Constitution that day,” he said.

As Trump’s legal concerns carry forward there is some chance Pence will be called to testify in the D.C. based federal court hearing the charges against the 45th President. Pence has said he will follow the law there as well and arrive in court if ordered.

Pence, last week, became the seventh out of a dozen strong field of Republican candidates to announce they had reached the polling and funding thresholds required to participate in the party’s first debate, scheduled for August 23.

Pence is currently averaging just over 5% in polls, down a full 4% since last July. Trump is polling at over 54%, up a point from last July despite three arrests and 78 criminal charges.