Michael Shellenberger interviewed the whistleblower.

In April, the director of the Pentagon's new program for studying UFOs said he had seen no evidence of alien spacecraft. "I should also state clearly for the record," said Sean Kirkpatrick, the Director of the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO), "that in our research, AARO has found no credible evidence thus far of extraterrestrial activity, off-world technology, or objects that defy the known laws of physics."

The statement, which was part of a hearing on the topic, generated headlines around the world. "UFO sightings are up," noted Politico, "but no proof of aliens yet, Pentagon official says." Wrote News Nation, "UFO Chief: No 'credible evidence' of extraterrestrial activity."

But on Monday, an Air Force whistleblower contradicted the Pentagon's claim, telling The Debrief and News Nation that the U.S. government is in possession of "quite a number" of alien spacecraft. "I thought it was totally nuts," David Grusch said. "I thought at first I was being deceived."

But, Grusch said, he soon learned that United States government possessed "quite a number" of different kinds of non-human vehicles. "I have plenty of current and former senior intelligence officers who came to me -- many of whom I knew almost my whole career -- [and] who confided in me."

This is not the first time government officials have suggested that the U.S. may possess alien spaceships. "I was told for decades that Lockheed had some of these retrieved materials," said the late Senator Harry Reid, who fought for greater disclosure. "And I tried to get, as I recall, a classified approval by the Pentagon to have me go look at the stuff. They would not approve that."

Former deputy assistant secretary of Defense for Intelligence, Christopher Mellon, recently reported that he has spoken to more than four witnesses who say they know of "a secret U.S. government program involving the analysis and exploitation of materials recovered from off-world craft... Some have supplied information to the intelligence community's inspector general, others directly to the staff of the congressional oversight committees."

Grusch's claims are shocking, and he has not made public any photographs, video, or written evidence to support them. He says he never saw any of the alleged nonhuman spacecraft himself.

I was at a right-wing conference. A friend of mine you'd know from another blog, but who I don't want to name in case this is supposed to be confidential, spoke with an Air Force officer for an hour.

He later told me the Air Force guy told him that all the UFO stuff was totally real and that yes, they have the spaceships in vaults and yeah, he's seen them.

I had no idea how to process this. So I shrugged and just discounted it completely.

And now, multiple sources close to the matter have come forward to tell Public that Grusch's core claims are accurate. The individuals are all either high-ranking intelligence officials, former intelligence officials, or individuals who we could verify were involved in U.S. government UAP efforts for three or more decades each. Two of them have testified, including as recently as last year, to both AARO and Congress.

The individuals said they had seen or been presented with "credible" and "verifiable" evidence that the U.S. government, and U.S. military contractors, possess at least 12 or more alien space crafts, some of which they shared with AARO, which AARO has refused to provide to Congress. The reason AARO "has not discovered any verifiable information," they said, is because it does have the authority to verify it and may not want to verify it.

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The sources all expressed anger and frustration at the Pentagon's denial of the existence of nonhuman craft and materials. "The denials coming out of Susan Gough and the Pentagon are specifically chosen to use AARO as the source of information when Grusch has already addressed that AARO didn't have access. And so, of course, they didn't discover anything."

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The sources said they suspected that the Chinese and Russians had also retrieved craft, but they did not know for certain.

Michael Shellenberger talks about the "ontological shock" of realizing not just that aliens exist -- which a lot of people assume to exist, based on the law of large numbers -- but are actually here and that every nonsense claim you've ever been told about the government covering it all up are 100% true.

He also says that he left out some stuff from his article, because he didn't want to "shock" people too much, and couldn't verify the claims.

He says these same sources tell him that yes, We Have the Bodies, Too.